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MazzyMan · Senior Member

RE: Diesel XF - share your about your ride

icebear · Senior Member

Hi mazzy, where u found the oil? and how much?

-- Edited by icebear on Friday 19th of April 2013 06:21:05 PM

luke · Veteran Member

Hey Guys,

I'm probably one of the few who drove the 2.2 D for 1.5 years. I don't really know much about the inside of a car, but what i can share is my experience so far.

I have driven up to Klang once and Genting recently since I got this car.
One tank can last only about 800+ before warning light comes on.
I did check with Wearnes and they say its fine to pump M'sia diesel once in awhile but not too often.

Unlike petrol cars, I pumped full tank before going thru custom, hoping to take me up and back with one tank.
But when i reached back to JB from KL / Genting, I will pump about RM50 to last me back to my home.
I won't pump full tank.

Already went through one round of servicing at 25k back in Feb, so far so good.

Hope this helps

chiaster · Guru

Hi Luke, thanks for sharing there. I have had the 2.2D for almost 3 months now and you are right about the mileage on the tank. I haven't gotten anywhere close to 900 or 1000 clicks on 1 tank like how the manufacturer claims it to be. Consistently seeing around 800+/- clicks per tank. All driving done locally. I don't know if I will ever get to 1000km on 1 tank.

Anyway, do you happen to experience a rapid ticking sound from your steering column when you're travelling at low speed or when you're at the lights? It's intermittent but it irritates when it happens.

I heard creaking sounds from the front passenger seat railing too of late whenever the seat is occupied... It creaks when the car is moving off from standstill and when coming to a stop... Seems as if the railing can't handle forward/backward shifting of weight... Do you (or any of the other bros here) have such a problem?

luke · Veteran Member

Hey Chiaster, here's my take on the beauty of the 2.2D

I drove a BMW 5 series previously, petrol of course.. and i realised that the best mileage i get is when I drive at 90-110km/h consistently.
Driving up North to KL at 190km/h will only get me no more than 500km with one full tank.
If i keep the speed at 100-120km/h, I may get up to 700km, that is, if I do manage to maintain that speed

When I drove the 2.2D up to Genting, keeping an average speed of 160km/h (between 150km/h to 190km/h). Up Genting, Down Genting, circle KL a little, back to JB.
The distance covered is about 850km before I need to refuel.
So optimum speed for fuel economy is pretty high... Think that is pretty awesome.

Driving in Singapore? 650km, and I have to refuel.

luke · Veteran Member

"Anyway, do you happen to experience a rapid ticking sound from your steering column when you're travelling at low speed or when you're at the lights? It's intermittent but it irritates when it happens.

I heard creaking sounds from the front passenger seat railing too of late whenever the seat is occupied... It creaks when the car is moving off from standstill and when coming to a stop... Seems as if the railing can't handle forward/backward shifting of weight... Do you (or any of the other bros here) have such a problem?
"

Ticking sound at steering column... No. I don't have that. Only from the start-stop. I will try to see if that exist when I drive home later.

But initially when i collected my car, there was a lot of creaking sound coming from all over the car especially from the door.
I brought that up to Wearnes during my first servicing (yes, that's how long I managed to tolerate that creaking sound).
The sound was indeed reduced, but still can hear it when I'm driving up a multi-storey carpark with the audio sys off.

I brought it in once again, and now its more or less quiet, except for the ''taxi-sounding" diesel engine during idling.

chiaster · Guru

Ok. Looks like I have to drive at a higher speed more consistently and also to check the car into Wearnes again for troubleshooting of the ticking and creaking sounds...

luke · Veteran Member

at 100km/h... you are not exactly gonna switch to gear 8...how to optimize

icebear · Senior Member

yeah man! u found it! what's the price? dont wanna wait 24k for servicing. lol.

icebear · Senior Member

luke wrote:
at 100km/h... you are not exactly gonna switch to gear 8...how to optimize

D mode does not push to 8th gear, but if u paddle shift it, it'll go to 8, then go to D again in 8th gear.. in fact, from 92kmh onwards, it'll accept 8th gear if u do it this way.

chiaster · Guru

Yep. Manual override. I've used the paddles to shift to 8 at around 110km/h before.

luke · Veteran Member

something i find really annoying...
- you cannot enter locations in navigator when the car is moving.
- dvd does not function too. not that i want to watch movies when i drive, but at least my passengers will be entertained during long drives... whats the point of having the dvd function then?
to watch while you're waiting for people?.. thats rather dumb.

XFS · Senior Member

For DVD if placed in position that driver can watch, it is illegal to play while driving.
So this is legality issue. Merc S Class blocked it such that front passenger can watch but blanked out to driver.
If place at back of driver headrest, then okay.

I remember my friend's cefiro many years back also same. Cannot watch DVD unless car is stationary. He got workshop to rewire and overwrite.

luke · Veteran Member

yeah then essentially, the dvd player is useless.. anyway. i did ask, rewiring or overwriting anything will just simply void the warranty...
suck thumb

icebear · Senior Member

found some info online (from xfforum).. apparently these are the currently available ACEA C1 engine oils.

Mobil Super 3000 Formula C1 5W-30
Valvoline Synpower ENV C1 5W-30
Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro C-1 5W-30
Millers XF Longlife C1 5W-30
Comma Ecolife 5W-30
Motul 8100 ECO-clean + C1 5W-30
Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow C1 5W-30
Castrol Edge Professional C1 5W-30
Havoline Energy EF 5W-30
Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4500 5W-30
Addinol Premium 0530 C1 5W-30
Delphi Prestige Super Plus C1 5W-30
Gulf Formula EFE 5W-30

chiaster · Guru

icebear wrote:
found some info online (from xfforum).. apparently these are the currently available ACEA C1 engine oils.

Mobil Super 3000 Formula C1 5W-30
Valvoline Synpower ENV C1 5W-30
Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro C-1 5W-30
Millers XF Longlife C1 5W-30
Comma Ecolife 5W-30
Motul 8100 ECO-clean + C1 5W-30
Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow C1 5W-30
Castrol Edge Professional C1 5W-30
Havoline Energy EF 5W-30
Liqui-Moly Top Tec 4500 5W-30
Addinol Premium 0530 C1 5W-30
Delphi Prestige Super Plus C1 5W-30
Gulf Formula EFE 5W-30

Good stuff, mate :)

icebear · Senior Member

info must be shared ma. not keep inside. i wont get richer nor smarter keeping it inside. lol. everybody benefits! i am checking for sources of ACEA C1 engine oil in SG.. hopefully can find some! currently its at $35/litre! faintz!

luke · Veteran Member

Brand New 2.2D now going at $199,999........ die

chiaster · Guru

luke wrote:
Brand New 2.2D now going at $199,999........ die

Wtf?!?!?! Lost 15k in 3 months!!! :( :( :(

Passat57 · Member

Hi, i just got an alarm on my XFS, "DPF is full" (diesel particulate filter). What does that mean? normal? Do i need to send to Wearnes immediately? TIA

-- Edited by Passat57 on Tuesday 23rd of April 2013 10:58:45 PM

Makapook · Guru

Bro, take a photo and send to them. Or just drive in in the morning for a cup of coffee while they check for you...

XFS · Senior Member

A diesel particulate filter (or DPF) is a device designed to remove diesel particulate matteror soot from the exhaust gas of a diesel engine. Wall-flow diesel particulate filters usually remove 85% or more of the soot, and under certain conditions can attain soot removal efficiencies of close to 100%. Some filters are single-use, intended for disposal and replacement once full of accumulated ash. Others are designed to burn off the accumulated particulate either passively through the use of a catalyst or by active means such as a fuel burner which heats the filter to soot combustion temperatures; engine programming to run when the filter is full in a manner that elevates exhaust temperature or produces high amounts of NO_x to oxidize the accumulated ash, or through other methods. This is known as "filter regeneration". Cleaning is also required as part of periodic maintenance, and it must be done carefully to avoid damaging the filter. Failure of fuel injectors or turbochargers resulting in contamination of the filter with raw diesel or engine oil can also necessitate cleaning.^[1] The regeneration process occurs at road speeds higher than can generally be attained on city streets; vehicles driven exclusively at low speeds in urban traffic can require periodic trips at higher speeds to clean out the DPF.^[2] If the driver ignores the warning light and waits too long to operate the vehicle above 40 miles per hour (64 km/h), the DPF may not regenerate properly, and continued operation past that point may spoil the DPF completely so it must be replaced.^[3]

XFS · Senior Member

It also means you not driving it hard enough.

Next thing to do... Take the car for a long drive where you can keep the engine rpm up over 2000 rpm for around 30 mins this will get plenty of heat into the system and get the system into re-gen mode.

XFS · Senior Member

The nshw is the solution to clear dpf!!

Passat57 · Member

Thank you, XFS and Makapook!

chiaster · Guru

Swee steady... Which means I can bring my car in to autobolt in another 2k mileage or so... :)

icebear · Senior Member

Passat57 wrote:
Hi, i just got an alarm on my XFS, "DPF is full" (diesel particulate filter). What does that mean? normal? Do i need to send to Wearnes immediately? TIA

-- Edited by Passat57 on Tuesday 23rd of April 2013 10:58:45 PM

hi passat, i think you just gotten your car right? Can share your daily driving behaviour ? initially i was worried about this DPF thingy, but so far, after 2 months, still have not kenna, so i was quite happy. i was under the impression that i had to drive aimlessly on the highway at highway speeds for 30mins (which we can only achieve late at night nowadays!) but so far i didnt have to do this.

i drive from home to work via ECP to KPE, total journey 10km, including slight traffic not more than 15min. evening, i dont take highway, major roads with many traffic lights (upper paya lebar entire stretch, tanjong katong road), other than that, no real long distance highway. i do a once weekly drive of >15km on the highway normally, go some friend's place or relative place.

i've read that SHORT TRIPS are a DPF killer. those 5min drive, few km trips to the market.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056574/Motorist-told-45-000-Jaguar-keeps-breaking-driving-FAST-enough.html

icebear · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:
Swee steady... Which means I can bring my car in to autobolt in another 2k mileage or so... :)

bro u drive diesel XF too? 2.2 or 3.0?

Passat57 · Member

Yes, i just got my preowned XFS for 2 weeks, and i dont know the driving pattern of the previous owner.

chiaster · Guru

icebear wrote:
chiaster wrote:
Swee steady... Which means I can bring my car in to autobolt in another 2k mileage or so... :)

bro u drive diesel XF too? 2.2 or 3.0?

2.2 only lah

Passat57 · Member

Is the DPF replacement or cleaning covered in the 3-years warranty?

chiaster · Guru

You can bring the car in to clean the dpf when it prompts you... Not sure about dpf replacement though...

icebear · Senior Member

hi bro passat, please do update us on what happened so we can learn from it..

from what i read online, DPF is a self cleaning device, whereby NORMALLY if it says DPF full you can still reuse it by going for a long trip (20min driving) on the highway to clear it. it will self regenerate, inject more fuel, raise the temperature and clear out the DPF.

FREDCOOLER · Member

Hi Guys, mine is XFS. Kana few times DPF full. Most of my cause is due to idling (10 mins and above) or low speed drving (think is below 40km/h). Normally to cure this is to drive continuously for ard 15-20 min at 80km/h and above and the error message will go off.

Passat57 · Member

Yes, the alarm message cleared after few long drives.

ignitionon · Member

Could some kind soul please advise what is the normal idling rpm for the 2.2d with and without the Aircond on.
Thanks

chiaster · Guru

It should idle at just below 1k rpm, with or without aircon... Tio bo gurus?

XFS · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:
It should idle at just below 1k rpm, with or without aircon... Tio bo gurus?

Yours is a living example. Must be tio!

Bigger sample size helps though.

ignitionon · Member

chiaster wrote:
It should idle at just below 1k rpm, with or without aircon... Tio bo gurus?

Thanks mine is about 900 which i feel is high, but then again it could be a diesel thing. Also during cruising the rpm needle tends to hunts slightly even at constant throttle input.

-- Edited by ignitionon on Sunday 19th of May 2013 12:44:44 PM

weekee1980 · Newbie

Hi, can some share with me what the maintenance cost for servicing Jaguar XF? I thought of buying but heard from my few friends told me the servicing is very costly. May I know the servicing for diesel n petrol price is around the same... Thanks for your help. Hope I can be 1 of your member soon...

Lorenzo · Veteran Member

weekee1980 wrote:
Hi, can some share with me what the maintenance cost for servicing Jaguar XF? I thought of buying but heard from my few friends told me the servicing is very costly. May I know the servicing for diesel n petrol price is around the same... Thanks for your help. Hope I can be 1 of your member soon...

Hi bro

I currently own a XF 2.2 Diesel Turbo for a year and have driven the 3.0 V6 Petrol (6 Speed Gearbox) for a week + recently. I'll breakdown and share my findings as per below.

Diesel (Pros)

- Faster acceleration

- Better fuel consumption (I pump my fuel once per week and I clock approximately 800-850km per full tank or 7.7L/100km. While I was driving the petrol versio n for a week, I pumped twice full tank, which cost me approximately $200. FYI, my monthly fuel bill is approximately $300-400 after discount)

- Quieter Cabin (Yes I know everyone says that the Petrol is quieter, but based on my experience, the cabin noise is lower. However the engine noise if you are standing outside the car is louder than the petrol. Heck, but who cares about external noise as long as cabin noise is quiet.)

- Durability of engine (The more you drive it, the more reliable it is)

Diesel (Cons)

- Higher road tax

- Loses to the petrol if you were going max speed against the petrol version (How often do you do max speed? So I don't really think this is a concern)

- Turbo might be harder to maintain in long run

Overall, I think the Jaguar XF is a good choice regardless of which variant you get. Most importantly it's not as common as your Beemers and Mercs. If you were someone like me who drives around quite abit, then the Diesel is a no-brainer. It's a much better drive than the petrol (IMHO).

The Service Center is currently not up to scratch as they do not have enough mechanics to keep up with the increase in sales of Jaguars. However, this issue is faced by the BMWs and Mercs owners as well.

Hope the information provided aids and not confuse your decision. If you would like to know more, you can text me at 9128 9542.

Cheers,

Lorenzo

chiaster · Guru

Hi weekee1980, I've got my 2.2 diesel for a little more than 4 months now and would agree with what Lorenzo shared above. I cover a lot of ground in SG so it makes sense for me to go with the "mileage superstar" diesel. Wearnes has the service intervals set at 24k but I've already done my own regular servicing at 12k mileage. Cost was 290bucks. Don't know how much Wearnes would charge though as I haven't brought it in for its first servicing. Why not join us at one of our many events? We would be more than happy to answer all of your queries. Before long, you'll find yourself the proud owner of one of these cats :)

XFS57 · Member

I had previously owned 2 turbo charged Passat, and i would say that turbo charged vehicles themselves are reliable. The only problem is their car owners modify to higher power and torque that their gearbox and driving /braking parts are not designed for. I am currently driving a XFS 3.0D, almost a perfect car for me, only complain is the seats are not bucket type. Your butt tends to sway when doing quick turning.

XFS · Senior Member

Hi weekee1980, hope you are getting useful info here.

For the XF range, only the model with warranty expired or expiring will be the 3L Petrol NA. We have some bros here that do their servicing outside of Wearnes. So far hears that prices are reasonable outside. Join us for meet ups to hear straight from their mouths.

For the rest of XFs still under warranty, we don't pay a cent yet. wink

If you are still worried, maybe add 20% to the maintenance budget you have planned for other premium conti makes.

SynAce · Member

Hi all,

Have visited the showroom on Sunday (9 Jun) to test drive the XF 2.2D. Agree that the noise in cabin is almost inaudible, but quite noticeable while standing next to the car.

The latest price for it is $218,000, and the sales staff was willing to deduct 8K from the list price. The 2L petrol version is selling at 10K more...

Have also enquired about the leasing rates - $3,900 & $3,800 for 2 yrs & 3 yrs lease respectively.

Did not commit as I would like to monitor the COE trend down the road, still feeling the COE will be lower than current levels in months to come.

-- Edited by SynAce on Wednesday 12th of June 2013 05:25:17 PM

icebear · Senior Member

218k less 8k? wasn't it in the newspaper last weekend 189k?

go for the diesel lah. diesel characteristic is perfect for our city driving. very good FC too. main minus is not good to put msia diesel regularly cos their diesel quality is crap. their best also has 10x the sulphur of our diesel.

KEVIN C · Member

Hi SynAce,

go for the XFS if possible as the 3.0 V6 engine is more robust. and yes it is also quieter and faster. :)
I can take you for a ride in mine.

Makapook · Guru

I suspect some of you are Jaguar salesmen in disguise... Lol! Feel like buying a diesel for the wife next car...

SynAce · Member

KEVIN C wrote:
Hi SynAce,

go for the XFS if possible as the 3.0 V6 engine is more robust. and yes it is also quieter and faster. :)
I can take you for a ride in mine.

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your offer. Can't afford 3.0, but if I'm going to get a Jaguar, it will be either 2.2 Diesel or 2.0 Petrol.

Any advice?

-- Edited by SynAce on Thursday 13th of June 2013 04:07:31 PM

XFS57 · Member

KEVIN C wrote:
Hi SynAce,

go for the XFS if possible as the 3.0 V6 engine is more robust. and yes it is also quieter and faster. :)
I can take you for a ride in mine.

Wearnes doesn't bring in XFS 3.0D anymore, only available preowned.