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XFS · Senior Member

Diesel XF - share your about your ride

chiaster · Guru

Lots to learn from the rest of the gurus here... :)

chiaster · Guru

I've got this non-stop, rapid ticking sound coming from my steering column whenever the car is in motion (at slow speed) and when the car is coming to a stop. At rest, the sound is evident too. All this when the engine is on, of course. It's irritating. Any of you guys experience this on your 2.2 diesels? My ride was registered 30 Jan 2013.

rainbow · Member

plenty of brake dust on my rims, anything to spray onto rims to prevent dust fm sticking to rims?

MazzyMan · Senior Member

rainbow wrote:
plenty of brake dust on my rims, anything to spray onto rims to prevent dust fm sticking to rims?

Nothing much can be done to prevent brake dust...some sprays barely help.

Trick is to not use Jag OEM pads...go for aftermarket brake pads which probably has lesser dust and brakes way better than stock pads.

XFS · Senior Member

http://www.stcars.sg/guides-articles/motoring-guides/beware-the-diesel-refuelling-when-driving-across-causeway/a/10109

The Business Times - January 16, 2013
By: Samuel Ee

Beware the diesel refuelling when driving across Causeway

New diesel-engined passenger models sold in Singapore are Euro 5-compliant and the ultra-low sulphur diesel sold at the pumps here contains only 50 ppm (parts per million) of sulphur
[SINGAPORE] Despite the lower fuel cost and higher performance of diesel-engined cars, owners of such vehicles are advised to enjoy these advantages only in Singapore and not across the Causeway because of the big difference in diesel fuel quality.

New diesel-engined passenger models sold in Singapore are Euro 5-compliant and the ultra-low sulphur diesel sold at the pumps here contains only 50 ppm (parts per million) of sulphur. This specification is compliant for use in Euro 5 diesel engines.

On the other hand, diesel fuel sold in Malaysia is Euro 2 compliant, with 500 ppm. Euro 4 standards with 50 ppm are expected to be implemented in 2015.

"It is not recommended for the new Kia Sorento Diesel to use Malaysian diesel as it is of a much lower grade," says Chin Kee Min, senior manager of authorised Kia distributor Cycle & Carriage Kia. "If lower grade diesel is used, it may cause engine clogging and misfiring issues, and perhaps other related problems as well."

A workshop manager who did not want to be named said that if the wrong diesel specification - such as one with high-sulphur content - is used "persistently", it could risk clogging the diesel particulate filter and may also cause engine damage.

"If there is a need to fill the tank, do not overfill but have enough to get across to Singapore and then refuel with better quality diesel in Singapore," he said.

He explained that using lower quality diesel may result in some "light smoke from the exhaust" as a result of the high sulphur content.

"It is also advisable to run the vehicle with the better quality diesel at expressway speeds for at least 20 minutes so the diesel particulate filter can regenerate itself. When in doubt, take the vehicle back to the dealer for a proper check," he added.

As for loading a jerry can with diesel from Singapore and carrying it with you for trips up north, the workshop manager does not recommend it.

He explains: "For safety reasons, this is not advisable."

Then again, the superb fuel efficiency of a diesel-engined car may not require most owners to fill up in Malaysia at all.

A Wearnes Automotive spokesman says that with a full tank of diesel, the Jaguar XF 2.2D will be able to travel "over 1,000 km".

"An owner is likely to be able to make a short trip to Kuala Lumpur and back with no difficulty," he said. "However, if absolutely necessary, customers are advised to top up only sufficient diesel to travel back to Singapore and not to fill up a full tank."

-- Edited by XFS on Tuesday 26th of March 2013 07:06:36 AM

chiaster · Guru

Nonsense! I haven't been able to clock anywhere near 1000km on 1 tank of diesel?!?!?!

icebear · Senior Member

u never go msia highway ma. i believe its very possible to reach 1000km on NSHW (based on me getting an easy 16-18km/L on SG highways. using only 60L of fuel, that's 1000-1080km, more than enough for KL and back (not including the ****ty KL traffic of course).. that's not using the reserve tank yet, that will prob get some more mileage.

worse case scenario, can always consider this:

http://www.iceland-car-rental.com/uploads/assets/images/fuel_canister.jpg

i'm targeting a penang road trip with my 2.2 diesel. i'll probably need to bring at least 40L of diesel to be safe. OR topup with some msia diesel, unless there's some kangtao for Euro5 grade diesel in malaysia over the coming year.

i HEARD that BMW diesel overcomes the poorer fuel grade problem by removing the DPF, so guess that is the main issue. Unfortunately, for the jaguar, i've read of somebody doing the same and having endless CEL issues, so that's not for us till somebody comes up with an override.

icebear · Senior Member

http://paultan.org/2009/10/01/four-new-bmw-efficientdynamics-diesel-models-now-here-in-malaysia/

The reason for this is due to the rules set by the German HQ. We get Euro 3 versions of these engines due to our diesel quality which is only just Euro 2M and not the Euro 4/5 capable diesel available in Europe, and amongst the various differences is the fact that the DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) has been removed because of the Euro 2M sulphur levels.

For cars without DPF filters, the instruction is to have the tailpipe facing the road, so that the particulates are channeled towards the ground instead of straight out. For owners, if you don’t like the look you can probably get that fixed at JFA in Sunway or something or something. Other than that, BMW says they’ve done adequate testing and the engine should run fine on our Euro 2M fuel, at least within the warranty period.

http://www.bmwclubmalaysia.com/forums/showthread.php?45106-Malaysian-Diesel-euro-2-NOT-suitable-for-BMW-diesel-engine&s=9db9de11a8b37598e19988da21110215

chiaster · Guru

Which means no Malaysian diesel for us until they upgrade the quality. Better to be safe than sorry.

Passat57 · Member

Any 3.0 diesel XF owners here?

XFS · Senior Member

Passat57 wrote:
Any 3.0 diesel XF owners here?

Yes. At least 2. I am one of them. biggrin

chiaster · Guru

Hi Passat57! :)

Is your ride a 3.0 diesel?

Passat57 · Member

No, but i am considering to buy a 2.2D or 3.0D XF. How is the ride and fuel consumption? Road tax and insurance are of concern too. Any advice? TIA.

-- Edited by Passat57 on Thursday 4th of April 2013 08:56:32 AM

Passat57 · Member

Thank you all above, for your repies. For the car insurance, any extra loading for diesel engine cars, as compared to petrol engine cars?

-- Edited by Passat57 on Thursday 4th of April 2013 10:16:49 AM

icebear · Senior Member

i drive a 2.2. if diesel rattle rattles u, get a 3.0. its tons smoother and quieter.

if u're after better FC and cruise alot, and you're worried about FC, get the 2.2, can easily get 1000km per tank (60L) if u have alot of highway.

the 3.0 offers better FC than the petrol jags too, and of cos 600Nm of torque. highway super overtaker, and no slouch on pickups either.

MazzyMan · Senior Member

Passat57 wrote:
No, but i am considering to buy a 2.2D or 3.0D XF. How is the ride and fuel consumption? Road tax and insurance are of concern too. Any advice? TIA.

-- Edited by Passat57 on Thursday 4th of April 2013 08:56:32 AM

Hi Passat57...come join us for our monthly meet up and you will be able to see the Jags and if owners permit (with bribes)...maybe even text drive them.

chiaster · Guru

icebear wrote:
i drive a 2.2. if diesel rattle rattles u, get a 3.0. its tons smoother and quieter.

if u're after better FC and cruise alot, and you're worried about FC, get the 2.2, can easily get 1000km per tank (60L) if u have alot of highway.

the 3.0 offers better FC than the petrol jags too, and of cos 600Nm of torque. highway super overtaker, and no slouch on pickups either.

I haven't gotten anywhere near 900km on my 2.leh and I do quite a bit of highways... Sigh...

Yes, the clattering of the engine needs some getting used to... I am still quite conscious of it even after 2 months of ownership...

Honestly, with 450nm of torque at 2000rpm, pick up and overtaking is no problem at all...

Passat57 · Member

Hi, May i know what is the service interval for XF Diesel cars? For low mileage car, what will the time interval be (eg every 6 months or 1 year) between servicing?

chiaster · Guru

24k or every year whichever comes first... Tio bo?

icebear · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:
icebear wrote:
i drive a 2.2. if diesel rattle rattles u, get a 3.0. its tons smoother and quieter.

if u're after better FC and cruise alot, and you're worried about FC, get the 2.2, can easily get 1000km per tank (60L) if u have alot of highway.

the 3.0 offers better FC than the petrol jags too, and of cos 600Nm of torque. highway super overtaker, and no slouch on pickups either.
I haven't gotten anywhere near 900km on my 2.leh and I do quite a bit of highways... Sigh...
Yes, the clattering of the engine needs some getting used to... I am still quite conscious of it even after 2 months of ownership...
Honestly, with 450nm of torque at 2000rpm, pick up and overtaking is no problem at all...

i get between 10-11km/L, real world results (calculated from number of L top up and distance travelled) . don't really have much highway, very heavyfooted, often in traffic. :(

i am quite happy with the FC considering my previous ride only gave me 7-8km/L

IF i get to highways, my fuel consumption improves by tons. i try to be gentle. quickly reach cruising speed, then very light throttles and playing with cruise control.

MazzyMan · Senior Member

Waiting for 24K before servicing is absolutely scary...not sure about diesel oil but have you seen how thin the engine oil is for a petrol engine even at 8k????

chiaster · Guru

Possible to take the car back to Wearnes before the scheduled servicing?

XFS · Senior Member

After every 3-4 months try to check you engine oil level. That having said, I suspect half our kakis don't know how to check oil level. Lol. Maybe We should start a poll on that.

icebear · Senior Member

i dislike the idea of hanging around for 10mins before i can check oil! lol!

chiaster · Guru

Check every morning before starting the car!!! Hahaha

icebear · Senior Member

i thought supposed to let it run till hot, then turn off engine and wait 10min? okok.. i go try later, see cool can or not..

MazzyMan · Senior Member

Anyone follows the rule on 24K before servicing?

XFS · Senior Member

icebear wrote:
i thought supposed to let it run till hot, then turn off engine and wait 10min? okok.. i go try later, see cool can or not..

The 10 mins wait is supposed to make sure it is not hot. biggrin

icebear · Senior Member

i think the 10min wait is to let all the oil flow back to oil sump lei..

chiaster · Guru

MazzyMan wrote:
Anyone follows the rule on 24K before servicing?

My car still new leh... Not even 3 months old... Maybe I should service every 6 months or 10k... But I can't bring it into Wearnes without having to pay for it, right? Let autobolt do it instead?

Passat57 · Member

Did the XF 3.0 came with 8-speed or 6-speed gear box?

XFS · Senior Member

Firstly note there are two types 3L Diesels. One called 3.0D and the other 3L Diesel S. Refer table from Jaguar website.

PERFORMANCE (MANUFACTURER'S ESTIMATES)	2.2 litre i4 diesel (163)	2.2 litre i4 diesel (200)	3.0 litre V6 diesel	3.0 litre V6 diesel S
Acceleration 0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) seconds	9.8 (10.5)	8.0 (8.5)	6.7 (7.1)	5.9 (6.4)
Top speed (mph) km/h	130 (209)	140 (225)	149 (240)	155 (250) limited

If i am not wrong, Singapore only brings in the 2.2 (200) and the Diesel S (XFS). If you say 3.0D, then it may be mistaken as the 3L V6 (non S version). Existing XFSs in Singapore are 6 speed. If you buy a new one now (needs indent basis) then it will be 8 speed.

Passat57 · Member

Thank you, XFS. 6.4 sec for 0-100km/hr is fast, at least for me. Is the 3.0D XFS as smooth and quiet as the v6 3 litre petrol engine XF? No comparison on the torque.

MazzyMan · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:
My car still new leh... Not even 3 months old... Maybe I should service every 6 months or 10k... But I can't bring it into Wearnes without having to pay for it, right? Let autobolt do it instead?

Honestly...I don't know how long diesel engine oil can last but 24K...that's just giving the engine so much wear.

XFS · Senior Member

Passat57 wrote:
Thank you, XFS. 6.4 sec for 0-100km/hr is fast, at least for me. Is the 3.0D XFS as smooth and quiet as the v6 3 litre petrol engine XF? No comparison on the torque.

Cannot compare to petrol on noise level lah, but I think it is one of the quietest diesel in the market. You can sit in my car to feel. Make it for next gathering ok?

And of course the FC beats the petrol version flat. Tested 250km/km no problem ha ha.

chiaster · Guru

MazzyMan wrote:
chiaster wrote:
My car still new leh... Not even 3 months old... Maybe I should service every 6 months or 10k... But I can't bring it into Wearnes without having to pay for it, right? Let autobolt do it instead?
Honestly...I don't know how long diesel engine oil can last but 24K...that's just giving the engine so much wear.

I'm going to change it every 10k then...

XFS · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:
MazzyMan wrote:
chiaster wrote:
My car still new leh... Not even 3 months old... Maybe I should service every 6 months or 10k... But I can't bring it into Wearnes without having to pay for it, right? Let autobolt do it instead?
Honestly...I don't know how long diesel engine oil can last but 24K...that's just giving the engine so much wear.
I'm going to change it every 10k then...

Good idea bro. Note the diesel engine oil is very special. Not easily available in market. That is what I understand.

chiaster · Guru

XFS wrote:
chiaster wrote:
MazzyMan wrote:
chiaster wrote:
My car still new leh... Not even 3 months old... Maybe I should service every 6 months or 10k... But I can't bring it into Wearnes without having to pay for it, right? Let autobolt do it instead?
Honestly...I don't know how long diesel engine oil can last but 24K...that's just giving the engine so much wear.
I'm going to change it every 10k then...
Good idea bro. Note the diesel engine oil is very special. Not easily available in market. That is what I understand.

Autobolt can do?

XFS · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:
XFS wrote:
chiaster wrote:
MazzyMan wrote:
chiaster wrote:
My car still new leh... Not even 3 months old... Maybe I should service every 6 months or 10k... But I can't bring it into Wearnes without having to pay for it, right? Let autobolt do it instead?
Honestly...I don't know how long diesel engine oil can last but 24K...that's just giving the engine so much wear.
I'm going to change it every 10k then...
Good idea bro. Note the diesel engine oil is very special. Not easily available in market. That is what I understand.
Autobolt can do?

Bro, I think likely yes. Nick can advise?

Read this.

http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/f61/engine-oil-2012-2-2-diesel-xf-46062.html

icebear · Senior Member

hi guys, i checked, and our diesel engine oil, needs to adhere to jaguar spec:
WSS-M2C-934-B, which after further referencing, refers to ACEA C1

Engine oil 2.0L Petrol SAE 5W-
30 engine oil meeting specification WSS M2C913-B or
C.

3.0L (SC)
Petrol
SAE 5W-30 engine oil meeting
specification WSS M2C913-C is
preferred. Oil meetin
g ACEA A1/B1 or ACEA
A3/B3 specification
may be used.

5.0L (SC)
Petrol
SAE 5W-20 engine oil meeti
ng specification WSS M2C925-A
only.

Diesel
with
Diesel
particulate
filter
SAE 5W-30 engine oil meeti
ng specification WSS M2C934-B
only.

Diesel
without
Diesel
particulate
filter
SAE 5W-30 engine oil meeti
ng specification WSS M2C913-B
only or WSS-M2C913-C

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1300-wss-m2c-934-b.aspx

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_GTDS_Shell_Helix_Diesel_Ultra_AF-L_5W-30_%28C1_Ford_M2C934-B%29_%28en%29_TDS_v2.pdf

so if you buying engine oil yourself or going outside workshop, please make sure its stated ACEA C1 on the engine oil before they shove it into the car. (or at least at least C something). This C confirms that the oil is suitable for cars with DPF and catalytic converter.

C1 & C4 are confirmed low ash, C2 & C3 are not stated. C1 is lower viscosity than C4, amongst the other differences.

C : Catalyst compatibility oils

C1
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines requiri
ng low friction, low viscosity, low SAPS oils with a HTHS
higher than 2.9 mPa.s. These oils will increase
the DPF and TWC life and provide fuel economy benefit.
Warning: these oils have the lowest SAPS limits and may be
unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual
or handbook if in doubt.

C2
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines designed
to be capable of using low friction, low viscosity oils
with a HTHS higher than 2.9 mPa.s. These oils will in
crease the DPF and TWC life and provide fuel economy benefit.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in so
me engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.

C3
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines
. These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in so
me engines. Consult owner m
anual or handbook if in doubt.

C4
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines
requiring low SAPS oil with HTHS higher than 3.5mPa.s.
These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in
some engines. Consult owner
manual or handbook if in doubt.

SAPS: Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus, Sulphur
DPF: Diesel Particulate Filter
TWC: Three way catalyst
HTHS: High temperature / High shear rate viscosity
EGR: Exhaust Gas Recirculation

XFS · Senior Member

icebear wrote:
hi guys, i checked, and our diesel engine oil, needs to adhere to jaguar spec:
WSS-M2C-934-B, which after further referencing, refers to ACEA C1

Engine oil 2.0L Petrol SAE 5W-
30 engine oil meeting specification WSS M2C913-B or
C.

3.0L (SC)
Petrol
SAE 5W-30 engine oil meeting
specification WSS M2C913-C is
preferred. Oil meetin
g ACEA A1/B1 or ACEA
A3/B3 specification
may be used.

5.0L (SC)
Petrol
SAE 5W-20 engine oil meeti
ng specification WSS M2C925-A
only.

Diesel
with
Diesel
particulate
filter
SAE 5W-30 engine oil meeti
ng specification WSS M2C934-B
only.

Diesel
without
Diesel
particulate
filter
SAE 5W-30 engine oil meeti
ng specification WSS M2C913-B
only or WSS-M2C913-C

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-1300-wss-m2c-934-b.aspx

http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_GTDS_Shell_Helix_Diesel_Ultra_AF-L_5W-30_%28C1_Ford_M2C934-B%29_%28en%29_TDS_v2.pdf

so if you buying engine oil yourself or going outside workshop, please make sure its stated ACEA C1 on the engine oil before they shove it into the car. (or at least at least C something). This C confirms that the oil is suitable for cars with DPF and catalytic converter.

C1 & C4 are confirmed low ash, C2 & C3 are not stated. C1 is lower viscosity than C4, amongst the other differences.

C : Catalyst compatibility oils

C1
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines requiri
ng low friction, low viscosity, low SAPS oils with a HTHS
higher than 2.9 mPa.s. These oils will increase
the DPF and TWC life and provide fuel economy benefit.
Warning: these oils have the lowest SAPS limits and may be
unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual
or handbook if in doubt.

C2
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines designed
to be capable of using low friction, low viscosity oils
with a HTHS higher than 2.9 mPa.s. These oils will in
crease the DPF and TWC life and provide fuel economy benefit.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in so
me engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt.

C3
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines
. These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in so
me engines. Consult owner m
anual or handbook if in doubt.

C4
Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use as catalyst compatible oil in vehicles with DPF and TWC in high
performance car and light van diesel and gasoline engines
requiring low SAPS oil with HTHS higher than 3.5mPa.s.
These oils will increase the DPF and TWC life.
Warning: these oils may be unsuitable for use in
some engines. Consult owner
manual or handbook if in doubt.

SAPS: Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus, Sulphur
DPF: Diesel Particulate Filter
TWC: Three way catalyst
HTHS: High temperature / High shear rate viscosity
EGR: Exhaust Gas Recirculation

Bro, thanks for sharing. Suggest you state source of data so that kakis can have a better idea where is this data coming from. Also note as a forum disclaimer.... kakis please do your own checks before commiting.

icebear · Senior Member

hi bro, i have put the links where i got the information from. i think like most of you'll, i feel the 24k interval is kinda high. as this is my first diesel, there was alot to learn and research, so just sharing so nobody needs to trawl the net for info.

the WSS-M2C-934-B is from TOPIX. apparently our manual did state it as well.. missed it. oops!

icebear · Senior Member

http://www.acea.be/images/uploads/files/2010_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf
http://www.infineum.com/ACEA/ACEA%202010.pdf

oops. missed out the most critical link, explaining the differences in C1 to C4 as well with alot of other stuff. there are also MSDS and contents of the expected oil to be in the different classifications. C1 is the lowest sulphur+sulphated ash+phosphorous, best fuel economy, lowest viscosity.

chiaster · Guru

Great info, icebear...

MazzyMan · Senior Member

chiaster wrote:

Autobolt can do?

I am confident that he can do the change...i will be calling him Monday for somethings for my Jag so let me double confirm and get back to all diesel bros here ok.

icebear · Senior Member

hi mazzy, please ask him if he has ACEA C1 engine oil.. its a bitch to find man..

Sommersby · Senior Member

MazzyMan · Senior Member

Yup stay tuned folks!

MazzyMan · Senior Member

Here here...this is what you guys are looking for yes? ; )